SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to the Boundless Bible. My name is David Shapiro. Hey, I'm Javi Marquez. And I'm Jason Holloway. So lately we've been talking about hidden heroes. And this hidden hero that we're going to go over today is really remarkable because it only is in one verse. There seems to be very little about this one hero, but I truly believe he belongs among the hidden heroes episodes we've been doing. And this is the boy with the fish and loaves. So I'm excited to jump in. And this is John 6'9. That's it. Nonjut 6ix9ine through something. Just John 6ix9ine. And that's it. He comes on and he's got some fish and loaves and he's gone. But let's jump in and figure out why this is such a hidden hero.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

I was going to say, I'm I'm excited to see where you're going with this because one this one challenged me for being, what is it, all of 14 words. So lot to get through here.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Excited to see where you take it. So the first thing we're going to go over, and this is just an interesting sidebar, excuse me, is it's very specifically five barley loaves. And just in case anybody doesn't know, barley is actually the poor man's bread. That's what they considered it back then. So barley was one of the first harvests. It's one of the breads that comes out first. And this is an early harvest. Wheat was the expensive one back then. So even in his giving what he has, this is very reminiscent of the woman who gave very little because that's what she had. He's giving all that he has, even though he has very little. And it's very telling. This is somebody who is a boy who did not have a lot to begin with and was willing to give everything. Um, and and so that we're gonna start with that, where it's just listen, uh, of the entire story, this is just a boy with a lunch. This is a boy with a lunch, and and he's offering it up, saying, Here is my lunch, and um the he doesn't know that Jesus is going to multiply it. He's not saying here, multiply this for the crowd. He is just offering it to God for the purpose of I'm supposed to give. And for having a boy, where a lot of scholars think he's younger than bar mitzvah age, so he'd be younger than 13. It's an impressive gift. I I don't know too many young kids who would just give up their life.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Now that we're talking about it, I feel at first we were we made the joke. There's a kid walking by with a fish and loaves, and Jesus is like, hey, he got food, let's get let's take some of that.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

Yeah, here's a boy.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Here's a boy with food. Yeah, yeah. It's God's plan, right? God's just he just put things right in the right place, or he just make things happen with the very little. But I also wonder, maybe, maybe, David, maybe the kid was selling fishes and loaves. Maybe that's what his occupation does, right? Or it was he just coming back from gathering fishes and and going to his family to feed them or something.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

Well, we don't know, but there are people who think that this was so what they said was this kid was very prepared. So either he was going to work coming from work or was selling them. We don't know. But but they were pointing out, scholars do point out, that he was very prepared for all the people to just go to listen to Jesus and for this boy to have had that. They think that yes, maybe he was on the way somewhere or was at work where they did work very young, and this was his lunch. This is what he brought because he was very prepared for something, not just for listening to Jesus, because the rest of the crowd would have been in the other thing that's really cool, and just and this is just we've talked about this before, where sometimes the the miracle or the thing is not for you. Um, I love the fact that they talk about what this food is feeding, and it feeds five thousand men, not to mention so the women and children aren't even counted. His food is not even counted towards him in the story. Oh, yeah. Is that said?

SPEAKER_02 4:05

Is that what it says? Yes. Yeah, no, it says five, it says it's 5,000 men plus both women and children. So he's not even counted in the 5,000. He's not even in you almost, I think what you're what you're getting at there too is at the time you would have been talking about men. So he didn't, he wasn't even like of the caliber or he wasn't of the tier that would have been counted, and yet he's still giving it to those who would be counted, as well as to Jesus who would use it for what he used it for. But yeah, that's interesting. That's so it was a true for for in some sense, it was a truly selfless, selfless gift.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

A hundred percent. This this is something where sometimes, and this is part of the hidden heroes, and I go off a little bit off the story and then come back to it. Part of what we talk about with hidden heroes is these are things we can see in each one of us every day. We all said, we've said this before, we want to be the David's, the Moses's, the big characters, the Isaiah's, but it is the boy with the loaves that allow all of these people to stay to listen to Jesus' message, which by the way is also about the bread of life that he brings up, which we'll talk in a moment about that. But I did even catch. I mean, so this is this is somebody who is coming in, who is we don't even know his name. He's one line in the Bible, but because of his hidden hero story, he allowed all of this wonderful things to happen. And I think that we compare that to who we are today and and what we are and go, I feel so insignificant. I feel like this is just a little piece, a little drop in the water, but you don't realize what that drop in in that water does.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

That that's the story, right? That's the story for me, is the when I look at this boy, I think he didn't have much to give, but he gave all he had to give. And Javi, you asked whether or not he was selling this, but five small barley loaves and two small fish, knowing he was gonna go listen to Jesus for the day, sounds like about a day's worth of food. It sounds like his his lunch and dinner, it sounds like his daily food. So it sounds like he's giving, at least if I had to, if I had to glean what I think he's doing here. And so he gave the little he had. And he gave the little he had come with, and he did it not knowing what was gonna happen. He didn't give it because he thought that it was going to he honestly, he could there's no way he could have thought that it was going to feed everyone. He just said, This is what I have, this is what I'm giving, and and he did. And then Jesus used it. And that that to me is this story when I hear it. And to your point, there's not everything that we have to give is large, not everything that we have to give seems impactful, but God doesn't need it to be impactful. He needs the heart of obedience, he needs the heart of wanting to give to others, he needs the intention to give of oneself towards others. Later, he'll say that the two greatest commandments are to love God above all others and to love others more than yourself. And that's what this boy is doing. First of all, he's giving it to Jesus, which is giving it to God first, and then it's giving to others. So it's literally like a pre what are you foreshadowing to that later event of what it means to love God above all others and others above yourself.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

To piggyback off of that, but just we have to be obedient with what we have. And you think about the little you have, or maybe the strength that you have is not enough. That's where God wants it. That's why He He doesn't want He you we always talk about give God the glory, and that's where God gets the glory. When you don't have enough, but you provide it to God and go, Here you go, God, you ask me to do this. I'm gonna trust in you, and He blesses that, and He gets the glory in that, and you also feel great to be a part of that, and sometimes you have to go through it to actually experience it and know that that's what He wants for us, and it's that in a lot of things in our life, relationships, right? Our situations that we we need to go, hey, I'm gonna let go and let God and He's gonna bless it. And I have to trust in that. So it's it's it's everything, it's like obedience, it's like trusting God, right? And and really believing and also belief and faith that he will multiply.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Yeah, yeah. Listen, Jesus rarely does a miracle without somebody giving something up. They're offering something that they have, and then Jesus can do the miracle. It's something that we are making an offering, and he is taking that. And what's really cool is when you look at the when you look at the Bible, God uses what people had, they use Moses's staff, he used David's sling, he is now using the boys' loaves and and fish. This is God is using what you bring, not saying, Hey, this isn't enough, go and get me more, or get me something different, or hey, this is only barley. God is like, hey, this is great. I can use this. And again, to me, in modern day, going, God's going to use what I have and what I have to offer just the way it is, is amazing for me to feel like I a contribution.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

I mean that that that's the statement at the end, because I think a lot of times we just don't we just don't feel like what we have to give is enough. I think there's been this, there's this in the series we've been doing at church lately. It's like you can't help everyone, but you can help someone. And and it's the same thing. Like I think that we're so busy trying to make a big impact that we don't realize that a little impact can have a big ripple. And that we again, this is what that story is. This is the this is the boy. And I also love I love that it's a boy too, but I think there's this heart of a child, right? There's this innocence that has to happen. There's this, there, there's this, I don't know, youthful trust that all is going to be right and well with the world that we get jaded on when we get a bit older. And and I love that it's that it's that. I love that we have to we have to return to that a bit. We have to have that trust in our father that he's going to provide, even though we don't know how. We you don't have to your kids don't have to understand how the bills get paid to know they get paid. And just like that, we we don't need to understand how God's gonna pay our bills, but we know he is. And we need to trust that and we need to live our lives in that way. And that's again, that's what this boy's doing. And I there's this, there's this innocence factor, there's this trust factor, there's this obedience factor, there's this giving everything you have factor. And for for about 19 words, it's pretty impactful.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

Yes, yes, it is. And uh let's go even deeper, and now we're gonna go into some Jewish theology. In in 2 Kings 4, 42 to 44, Elisha feeds 100 people with 20 loaves. So this is also, and and this is a crowd that would have known that. So now they're seeing a much larger miracle. Again, 5,000 plus the women and children, you're talking at least 8 to 10,000 people, maybe more, with much less. So this is also a call to the Jewish people that hey, Jesus is greater than even Elisha. And so being there and knowing that, they would have known, hey, this is reminiscent of something from their scriptures, the Old Testament, we know it as. At that time, they just knew it was a scriptures. So that that's the first piece. Second piece is, and this is, but it is a fact. There are five loaves, which they equate to the five books of Moses. There are two fishes, which they equate to the prophets and the law, and then there are 12 baskets, which they equate to the 12 tribes of Israel. Wow. So even in the numbers, and again, I'm not I'm not a numerology guy, but there is uh a correlation between the numbers of what's going on and the old testament. Again, they would have known as their scriptures. So just keep in the back of the mind that even as Jesus is doing this, he's doing it very specifically. Yeah, I'm gonna have to pause it.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

Yeah, really. Man, never mind. You know what we haven't talked so long about some of the deeper kind of hidden meanings in the text and the numerology. Not the numerology, but there's there's a lot of number significance in the Jewish faith that the sevens are perfection and and the obviously the five books of the Torah. And but it we haven't talked about it in a while, and it just I think that just totally flew over my head. But you're right. That's he gave. Hold on. So let's let's unpack this for a second. Go back. So there's a little Jewish boy who is handing something over, he's making a transition. Right? He's handing it over. He is yeah, he is handing it over to Jesus, and Jesus is taking the things that the Jewish people already knew, and he is feeding them with more. And one of the things we've talked about over the over the years on this podcast, I can't say weird thing to say over the years, but true, on on this podcast, are that there was the law, and the law was there to help people follow God more, I don't know, correctly. But it came to light, and it came obviously, we realized that it wasn't ever going to be enough, and we needed Jesus in order to put the heart back in. So the Pharisees, so people didn't become Pharisees and become legalistic and doing what they needed to do, not be not with the heart of God, but with the with the need to go to heaven, essentially. And so here you have the Jewish child handing over all of those things to Jesus, and Jesus literally transformed them. Which is what Jesus did with the with the Torah. It's what he did to the prophets, and it's what he did to using the 12, as you said. Mind blown. Hold on. That's crazy. Wow. I'm gonna go even further because as you're talking, I'm canceling this episode right now. I've said you've said too much. My brain is broken.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

Just kidding. Go ahead. That's big. That's I was gonna say before you you jump ahead, and I think um obviously is is amazing these numbers, and I think I think it holds true. I think it God is just that's the way he works. I have a little bit of a stretch too that I heard reading the story, and when you think about it, before that in John, John 5 going into 6, he talks about Moses and how Moses, if you think about it, the relation there with Jesus. What's going on with Jesus is he's going across the Galilee to this mountainside to pretty much probably be alone, be in the wilderness, and then he does miracles, he is doing other miracles in this thing. So let's let's put that in context. He is doing other miracles, he's healing people, and then he gets to this mountainside, and then people are following him, and they probably want to get healed. They want they they're following this, this, this great miracle guy, right? Not to not to bring him down, but just in simple terms, and then he he he creates his he gets the mana, right? You can say Moses, right? Going through the going through the water, going through the through the wilderness, creates he doesn't create mana, but God provides mana to the many. And that's a significance there that I felt was cool too. Like, oh, that's a good relation with with Moses and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Well, more than that, in John 6.4, actually, I don't know if you knew this just by going in there. In John 6.4, just a couple of lines before it actually says the that the Passover is about to come. So the Passover is about to come. So yes, this is definitely manna, just as if they were in the desert. So a hundred percent. Yeah. So that's that's pretty cool. Not in there. Um, so here we go. And this is this is something that came to me. So I apologize. I don't have the verse with me, but I'm gonna stick with me because as Jason was talking, I it just hit me. In Deuteronomy, it is talked about man cannot live on bread alone. Okay. And we know that as hey, God is saying you can't live on just this. You need to live on my word, you need to live on what I'm giving you, the things that I'm saying, and we know that. But here, Jesus, after feeding them the bread, after multiplying the bread, says that I am the bread of life. Okay. So here's my thought. What that line of man cannot live on bread alone. What if literally God was saying right there, these are my words I'm giving you. Remember, these are a new people. These people do they were in bondage for 400 years. They're coming out, they're learning the law. What if God is saying, not that you can't live on bread alone, meaning your own life and you have to live on my word, but you can't live on even my word alone because you need Jesus, who is the true bread of life. Okay. So you can't live on just my word, because sometimes people, again, use the Bible as an idol themselves, and they go to the Bible and they take it out of context. And he's going, Don't live on even that alone. And then Jesus coming saying, I am the bread of life, I am what is more than bread, Tuces forever. And I'm saying, even that, I think that people in the audience who knew the Torah would have heard that and said, Man, God said you cannot live on bread alone. And and now Jesus is saying, I am the bread of life. I'm the one that you can sustain with. And this just brings a whole different perspective of, and again, I listen, God could have very easily said, man cannot live on bread alone because he meant that you need to live on my word and my rules and my I absolutely I don't want to take away from that, but now can it be this?

SPEAKER_01 17:22

And the funny thing is, this verse that we put we picked out. Obviously, this happened in they're all I think most of the gospel wrote about the the fishes and the loaves. Now we're we're we're talking about John, which John talked about God, Jesus being the word. So there's that too.

SPEAKER_02 17:40

I think it's um oh I think you mean yeah, because John, yeah, because John begins with in the beginning there was there was the word.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

In the beginning is the word and the word was God, and God was and the word was God.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

You're you're saying that the word then is David was just saying that the word is the bread, but the word was not enough because now we need a Jesus who is the bread. It's interesting you bring that up because a couple weeks ago, uh a couple weeks ago I had I had a similar thought about that man doesn't live on bread alone thought. And it it the same vein, but a little less technical than yours. Mine's more of yes, we sub we we subsist and we exist because of the sustenance we put in our bodies, and that is our body, that is our physical self that lives. But realistically, anybody who's just lived without feeding their soul, and I'm using that very specifically, that language, it's an empty, it's an empty life. Like it's it's great that you have a physical body that exists, but you're going to be empty if you're not wholesome, if you're not doing the things of God, if your spirit is not fulfilled, if your spirit feels antsy or restless or it's not following its purpose. We talk in today's society about having purpose and purpose and purpose and purpose. And people trying to find purpose in everything because they know it's important. The difference is it's not until you find out what the source of that purpose is that you actually can make any true strides in that, in that area. But I don't know, I just think this this whole you can't live on bread alone because bread is what's keeping the body alive, but the body still needs to thrive. And that's where the bread of Jesus comes in. That's where that's where knowing where the source is, and Jesus being the source of the word, Jesus being the source of the the knowledge, Jesus being the source of the word of the knowledge. It's it's all those things together, and that's yeah, that's that's what the I don't know, it's it's connected not, but you brought up living water.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

It's the bread of life. Again, it's you I I I I I love that you're saying that, Jason, because you're right. I think when we go back to, I think we talked about a little bit in the episode of Shipra and Pura that you mentioned about atheism and like even that doesn't hold true. And I think there's there's a significance there, right? You can't live on just bread alone. We just can't live on food and what we feel is the physical. There's a spiritual aspect in our heart, and that we are always yearning for God. We're always looking for that. So when it comes to when people talk about you have faith, you're you're just you're thinking about you have this blind faith, or you it's it doesn't hold true to things. And it's like, no, we have faith because we know something is there. We have faith because what we believe there is something higher power and what we see around us. Spirit what's in us.

SPEAKER_02 20:16

Yeah. Again, I go back to this idea of like when when I was an atheist or an agnostic or any number of things that I was, you did I eat bread? Yeah, sure. Did I eat food? Did my body exist? Absolutely, it did. You can you live, but it but it was empty. Yep. That that body was the the spirit that filled that body was empty. And again, that's the other thing about the feeding. I think the the word feeding, we haven't talked about the word feeding here at all either. It's like we talked about the bread, we talked about the boy and the giving of the bread, but it ultimately fed, and I think that's what we've kind of like been circling around, but it fed 5,000 people. And how how can bread fill 5,000 people? And now I'm getting back to my metaphorical days, but like, how does bread, yeah, how does bread literally bread fills 5,000 people by being eaten. But how does the bread of life fill 5,000 people? By being true, by be by by hitting a spot, uh sating a hunger inside them for knowledge, uh sating an a knowledge, sorry, a hunger for knowledge of what is purposeful, what is true, what is right, who is God. So even the story of feeding the 5,000 isn't really a physical story, it's a spiritual story as well. And super super spiritual.

SPEAKER_01 21:25

I love that you're saying that because there's another significant significance there. I think is the people were following Jesus. They were they were they they were trusting him. It's almost like we see all the miracles that's happened, but you said mentioned before, David, there was there's an aspect that they have to give up something within themselves, right? They have to show faith before maybe God maybe even bless them in some kind of way or show that miracle. And I think for them, it's like they're following God. I trust this guy, I want to know more about him. Like with your hey, because your faith, your faith is what heals you, is your faith, I'm gonna provide food for you, kind of thing. So maybe it's a stretch, but I think I think we see that. There with them coming around, gathering, going, You got some, you have something to give, sir, and I believe in you, I trust you, I want to hear your every word. I'm hanging on it. He goes, But before I tell you this, let me just let me feed you.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

Yeah, let me just because both of you mentioned atheism, and I I agree that yes, at times you can eat bread and it is feeding you, and because you don't have the word, you don't you're not fully fed, your soul's not fed. But going back to my original thought is there are a lot of people who, yes, they eat bread physically, but they also feel like, hey, I know the word, I read the Bible, I I feel this is what the Pharisees all were. They knew it, but they weren't truly feeding off the bread. And that's why when I point to that word, I'm going, maybe what God is saying is man will not eat off of bread alone. Meaning at that time, bread represented the Torah. So of course, yeah, man can't live, man can't live off the Torah alone. They need Jesus, the bread of life. And I'm going right now, what he is saying is, and this is me stretching. So this is not something that you can read in the Bible. This is my interpretation of it right now. Live, literally, I'm stumbling through it because it just came to my head. But while Jesus, Jesus is saying, I'm the bread of life, there is a bread that we can sustain through. Yeah. And that's Jesus, yeah. Where God, the Father, is saying, Hey, bread, living off of this bread that I gave you, just the laws, just the story, just the Torah, is not going to be enough. And we see that with the Pharisees. We see it with our own hearts. And I'm just, like I said, just right now, connecting those two. I'm I'm going, man, there's it's spot on.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Again, this is this is all of those levels, right? I think they're all right to a certain extent. I think, or if not entirely right. And and let's get back to the topic of the the hidden hero, though, right? Like the boy. The boy is the one who facilitated all this. Jesus made it happen. Jesus made it happen, but it needed the step of the boy first. Take this story, rewind it. Imagine, you know, we're on if you're a Marvel fan, we're in an alternate timeline, and the boy chooses not to give up his five loaves and his two fish. And nobody else comes forward. Could Jesus have done it? Yes. Could God have done it? Yes. But it was the act of obedience that facilitated the eating of the bread spiritually or but physically by the rest of these people. And so it was just a small action. But the ripple effect was that the ripple effect was enormous. It was historical. It was generational in the effect.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

Yeah. I think this is the first miracle of the of this moment. I think the miracle is that the boy gave up his lunch. It was we think of miracles as again, we always look at the miracles as I want the Red Sea parting. I want the massive miracle. And sometimes these miracles are so small, and like you said, have these ripple effects. And I think that this boy, his first miracle was, let me give up my lunch. Let me give up the food. And Javi, you mentioned before, maybe he was working. He could have been working for hours, been hungry, and still said, My miracle is let me give up my food and not knowing what's going to happen to it. And it is. This is the the hidden heroes.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

No, I wanted to ask, like, this is right. We're we're so out of this cultural context, right? We're especially now in 2026. This episode, but like fishes and loaves. Is there a significance there? Is that a common dinner? Is that a common lunch? Is this bagel and locks?

SPEAKER_00 25:39

What is this? Is this bagel? Well, fishing, yes, bread. Bread and fishing, farming and fish are two things that, yes, we're were huge. I will tell you that uh, and I say this often, there's a lot of things I learn about. I know a hundred percent what happened the last 47 years because I was alive during that time. What happened 2,000 years ago? Do I know if a boy under the age of 13 would have had, you know, fish and loaves for a midday meal? Yes, it sounds practical because that's what they did. We know that there were fishermen that were disciples. We know that bread was harvested quite a bit. We can go even into the the Ezekiel's bread that he was taught to make, which was a barley bread. So I know that these things existed. Whether or not this would have been a common thing for a a boy at 10, 11, 12 years old to have, I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:30

Um, I'm like, is that a common does it go together? Does it pair well? Holl up the fish. It's the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Or is there you go?

SPEAKER_02 26:37

Or is there a significance? That's another one. Is there a significant another significance still to that still? If that was to happen in 2026, I think it would be he would be carrying uncrustables and goldfish. He would have fed the 5,000 on uncrustables and goldfish. Welcome, welcome to the future, guys. This is what we get. Um I love the hidden heroes. So listen, a hidden hero, indeed, this boy. And I think that what we're learning through the series is that we can all be hidden heroes. We may not be written about in a in a Bible story, maybe one day, but we might not be written about in Bible stories, but you can be significant without having to be without having to feel significant. You can do significant things without having to feel significant. And I think that these are some really interesting stories that bring that to light. And no matter where you're at in your walk, no matter where you're at in your life, you you have an opportunity to make an impact. And we have an opportunity to make an impact, and we should remember that every day. And not for ourselves, but for others. And as God as Jesus requested, we should do it for the love of God, and we should do it for the love of others, and and even if we have to put ourselves last. Hidden Heroes. I think we have I think we have one more hidden heroes after this. So we do.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

We have one more episode of Hidden Heroes. And and what's funny, just I I know we're wrapping up, but it just reminded me you're going over right now, just the little things that we can do. And us right now on a on a podcast, none none of us would call ourselves heroes. We wouldn't say we're starting a miracle, none of that stuff. But I think that sometimes that's the issue, is I think people sometimes feel like they're so small that what they're doing is not significant. And we we've talked about it before the three of us. And if one person comes to Christ because of our podcast, it will all have been worth it. If one person stays in Christ, it would have all been worth it. And I think that times people are feeling so down on themselves, they're feeling like they can't make a contribution. And the one thing I know about this boy is there's never a moment where I felt like he felt like he was giving up something. He felt like he was less than. I think he was just saying, hey, I have something I can share this. And that also, I think, is what we're truly called to. And that's when they say give from a from a loving heart, from an open heart. I just think that he is giving from the position of I have to give. It might not be a lot, but it's something that I want to give. And I'm hoping that people out there are encouraged to go, you are enough. You you have been given whether you've been given barley or even given flour, it doesn't matter. You've been given something you can pass on.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

You were given a voice, you were given a voice story, right?

SPEAKER_01 29:14

I want to just pick it back up on that guy. I think we say I was all saying the same thing. I was gonna say there's a threat here with the hidden heroes, and I think if we are obedient, God would make us heroes through our obedience. You get what I'm saying? So be obedient in what God is calling you to do, and I know God will bless your obedience and make a hero out of that that challenge or that thing that you do. And I think that's a good challenge for us to all to walk forward in today.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Yeah, and sorry, I don't mean to beat the dead horse, but the the there's also a point to this too. We're we're three, we're several heroes in, and this is the first one that actually physically gave anything of theirs. The other ones gave permission, the other ones gave consultation, the other ones gave defiance, but they didn't, and I think that's important. You don't have to give things, you need to give time, you need to give something that you have to others, and it may be nothing. Anybody else want to like run around that circle again? Oh no, we're good. I think that's I think we ran all the way around it. All the way around it. So, guys, as always, we appreciate your time and energy and spending some time with us when you could be doing so many other things. But let us know what you're thinking on the socials, send us emails, we'd like to hear from you, and we'll talk to you again next week for more hidden heroes. Thanks. Bye. See you guys. Bye.