David: 0:00

Welcome to the Boundless Bible. My name is David Shapiro, hey, I'm Javi Marquez and I'm Jason Holloway.

David: 0:10

Welcome back to the Boundless Bible guys. Glad to see you, good to see you. What's going on? I am interested to talk about this topic today. This topic is something that has a little bit of confusion, a little bit of conflict by it. Historically, we all agree that it happened. Confusion, a little bit of conflict by it. Historically we all agree that it happened. But you know how you use it and how you apply it is a little bit different and where it comes from is a little bit different. So let's jump in. And this is the Lord's Prayer. This is, you know, jesus. Right now is the Sermon on the Mount. He is telling people that you should pray a certain way. He's saying you should not pray with empty prayers, you should not pray by mumbling like the pagans, that you should pray very specifically. And it's called the Lord's Prayer. And before we get into it, javi, why don't you just recite that for us?

Javi: 0:59

Sure, all right. So in Matthew 6, 9 through 13, it goes like this this, then, is how you should pray Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread and forgive us of our debts, as we also forgiven our debtors, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. Amen.

David: 1:28

Amen. So what's really cool, before we even jump into it, is the first word, father. This is not him calling out Adonai, god, elohim Yahweh. When he uses the word father, yahweh, um. When he uses the word father, uh, and and it's really interesting he uses the word abba, and abba means father, but it's very personal. It's he's saying hey, dad, I'm about to pray to you, so he's calling him by name, going dad. It's very, very intimate. It's a very cool moment. Um, where he is, uh, probably in. In aramaic is what they estimate. A lot of the scholars think that this prayer came from, but he's saying hey, dad, and then he starts to pray.

Javi: 2:11

I actually listened to the Aramaic prayer said by this. David said go check it out. It's the most beautiful thing ever. And I did and it is. It's really poetic, really profound and just kind of man it just I almost got transported there thinking like hey, I could hear Jesus, you know, like this is what Jesus said.

Jason: 2:31

And this is how he said it kind of thing.

Javi: 2:32

Yeah, yeah, it was nice.

Jason: 2:33

Yeah, and I think what's cool about that Abba line is, you know, we don't get to read it in that context, but even before it, there's still this little indication of that in the end of line eight, where it says For your father knows what you need before you ask him.

Jason: 2:49

And then you're saying that the next word would be pray in this way, our father, you know Abba. And again, it's just this transition into this intimacy. That's very clear that it's a personal relationship. This isn't I'm praying to some ruler who has no idea who I am, and I'm this numberless name—or you know number nameless face in a crowd who's asking something to some higher being. No, you can pray quickly, efficiently and concisely because your Father already knows what you need. That's how close he is to you, that's how much he cares for you. That he already knows, and I think that's a really—again, it's interesting biblically speaking. It's great that Abba's there for those who understand that, but there's still this hint for those who don't speak you know, don't speak Aramaic or whatever they would have been writing and who can still get that. I think that's really beautiful too.

Jason: 3:37

And it's revolutionary and I don't want to get into it.

David: 3:39

I mean we have to realize that this is, this is a jewish people. Yeah, they prayed. I mean, they prayed multiple times a day. They had very specific prayers, um, and it was always reverent. It was always, you know, blessed be to you, lord. But this is, you know something where he's telling them hey, you don't have to pray, you know in, in a way where it doesn't mean anything, it's just you saying some words out of your mouth, right, um, but start off with dad. He's telling you get personal. This is a personal prayer. Life should be personal. It shouldn't be. Hey, I'm praying three times a day, I'm going in and doing my, my, you know my work. Quote unquote this is what I'm supposed to do, it's no, when you pray, you should have this relationship with god when you pray.

Javi: 4:25

So yeah, we see there, I think, a template, a template of how to pray, not the specific words itself. I mean, we could use that, and I do, I'll be honest. I, I pray every morning, every night, this prayer. It helps me to just kind of get focused on God and kind of get my scatterbrains elsewhere. I've written these words in my heart and it brings me out of tough times, it brings me to peace, hope, it gives me everything, it just aligns me with God, and I love that you're saying right now, david, about Abba. I think that word itself is amazing. I mean, just how Jesus kind of saw the Father and just kind of set the lane for us of how to pray and set the lane for us of how to approach God as our Father and our Father that provides for us, our Father that knows what we need before we even have to even ask Him. It's already done, don't worry about it. And that brings me at peace, that brings me a peace.

Jason: 5:23

Yeah, I mean even the word father. I mean, look, I know not everybody has a great father figure or father role, but we all know what the father figure is supposed to be. And to start it out by saying our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. It's such a depth of meaning that is inherent in the human being period. When I say father, and then I say it with reverence, and I say it with respect, and I say it with all these you know, deep emotions, I've literally transported myself to this place of open, caring and also wanting to be cared for and knowing I will be cared for without having done anything yet, you know, and so I think that's really fascinating as well. The other thing is it's funny.

Jason: 6:05

You know it is a model, one of the things that the Bible says. I love this thing. It just gives me so much. But you know it does say model or template. Like you said, javi, it says that you know this is the model or template by which praying. But I actually was sitting here wondering I wonder how many people have ever taken this model and turned it into a prayer. I think most people just take it and they read it and it works right. It is good For you, javi, you read it and it does that when I read it in church. I don't usually read it out of church, honestly, but when I hear them read it in church it transports me. There's something about this prayer that at the right time and the right moment, it just connects and it just goes. Man, those weren't my words, but those were the right words, right, yeah.

Javi: 6:43

Right, but those were the right words.

David: 6:44

Right, yeah, right javi, I actually love the fact that. Yeah, javi, I love the fact that you pray every morning and night this prayer.

Javi: 6:54

Maybe you were jewish I don't know what man I, I don't know. It's just, it's. It's not religion, I don't, if I miss it, I don't, I don't, really, I'm not, I, I don't, I don't hold to it as it right. If I don't do this, I am doing wrong by the Father. To me, like I said, it's just a realignment of my brain and we're kind of focusing on God and the reference of God.

David: 7:14

Yeah for sure. In seminary they taught us that and you're saying it's a realignment. They were teaching us that when you use this prayer this is something how you use your regular prayer life is saying, ok, first you have to identify who you're talking to, who is sovereign, and that's God, and this is father. You know I'm talking directly to you now. And then what you do is you give thanksgiving first. Before you start asking for what you want, you give thanksgiving. So it is a great model for what you should be doing.

David: 7:45

And for intercessory prayer, they used to say the same thing. You know, before you pray for somebody else, they want you to get right praying for somebody else. So so you, you, you start off by you know, hey, sovereign father, you know I, I thank you for all the things you've done for me, and then, if your mind is on something else, you bring that to him. Hey, I need you to help me. Right now I want to pray for somebody else, but this is on my mind. So you ask them to remove that. But it all goes down and follows this pattern of you know, of this wonderful prayer that we're given in the Sermon on the Mount, and it has this connection, this beautiful connective tissue, which we'll talk about a little bit, with Judaism, with Jewish prayer life. They would have known exactly what he was saying and how he was saying it.

David: 8:30

This wouldn't be a new prayer Now, it's revolutionary but it comes from something they would have understood, which is really cool. Also, go for it, and what's that? So the first one would be the Ten Commandments. Ten Commandments this is the first. Four would be the ten commandments. Uh, ten commandments, this is the first four. One through four uh, talks about god. It's god focused. Oh, yeah, all the things you know, thou shalt not have an idol before me. I mean, that's about god, right? Um, so hallowed be thy name, your will be done.

Jason: 8:57

This is all about putting it up there, god, and then yep, yep.

David: 9:00

And then when you start to talk about the parallels of five through 10 of the 10 commandments, these are now human focused Um, and, and this is give us our daily bread and deliver us and lead us not into temptation Uh, these are now very human traits. So it actually does follow the 10 commandments right off the bat. Uh, which back then Jew, jewish people would have known, um, the give us our daily bread. They would have known, because this is manna. Uh, this is what they've talked about, where god has given them their daily bread, literally.

David: 9:30

Um, so, yeah, before I mean before we even go on to other connections you know right off the bat these are jewish people that would have heard this prayer and said, hey, um, I want to repeat it exactly as he said it, which is what he's saying. But then what you said also, javi and Jason, is a lot of us kind of say it. Sometimes we're in church, but when we're outside of church, our own prayer life, sometimes we don't use that. We just go into kind of a it's historic prayer versus spontaneous prayer, this one being historic, and which one do you guys do?

Jason: 10:04

Well, I actually found it funny because in you know I think it's 7, he says and when you pray, do not use meaningless repetition, as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their many words. I think I'm that guy. I talk too much and I do it when I pray too. I feel bad for God and Jesus sometimes because they're going to be like are you going to? Finish this sentence anytime soon.

Javi: 10:29

Like I feel like there has to be that judgment in there. But yeah, like I said, I mean you see that in many churches you see people just kind of like praying for I mean I know I think I was talking to one of our pastors and saying, like they came from a church they prayed for hours, hours of praying. Isn't that crazy?

Jason: 10:41

Yeah look, I you know it's funny. I think the key word is there's meaningless repetition.

Jason: 10:48

You know, I think the key word is that you know, I think there's a lot of people who can pray for a long time and I think it's a powerful prayer. I mean, some of the most powerful prayers I've ever heard have been really long and yet I was there the whole time. And for me to be that focused for that long, there was something there. There was something there. But I joke because you know, I think you know, we've done a prayer episode already. We'd probably do another one, because prayer itself is just a complex, you know thing, to know how to do it, what to do with it and so forth. But to answer your very short question with a very long answer, and I'll shorten it by saying I don't ever do this prayer and it's just because I don't think of it. I just simply don't think of doing this prayer the way that you do, javi. But I think it's an interesting exercise to maybe take a week and see what happens if I do it.

Javi: 11:28

I think it's one of those things of what we say about you know, writing God's word in your heart, and these are one of the first few verses that I've really wrote in my heart. I remembered it, I understood it for what it says. So when I say these words, they mean so much to me. So I think that's where it comes from, too, jason. So don't beat yourself up. I think it's just more something that I know in my heart, and for me, this is what God wrote in the book, and to me it's just repeating it back to him. That's what I'm taking it as.

David: 11:58

For me, my wife's family, who is Irish Catholic, repeat this prayer, and we do it on holidays and get togethers, and this is, we all are around the table holding hands, and this is the prayer we say, and I see the like you said, jason, when it's not meaningless.

David: 12:14

When it has meaning, it's a very powerful prayer and I think it's laid out in such a beautiful way that you're supposed to pray this way, but I do believe there's also a place for spontaneous prayer, which is Jesus is saying pray like this, not just say this, um, but this is, this is the pattern at which you can pray, which is again glorify God, thank him, and then ask what you want, um, but while you're asking what you want, we're also going to demand things of you, um, and this is really cool, cause this goes back to ancient covenant, um. This is when you were going to do an ancient covenant ceremony. You would have to acknowledge the King, you'd have to pledge loyalty to the King. You would have to, uh, receive blessings from that person, okay, you'd have to then seek mercy and then ask for protection, and that's exactly the same, exactly the format order.

David: 13:10

Yeah of this, yeah, so again. And the jewish people would have known that. They would have seen that and said okay, we understand what this is. It's more than just a prayer. It's, it's a repeat covenant to god all the time.

Javi: 13:22

Yeah yeah, I was going to mention early on, like on verse six, he talks about going into a room and closing the door. He didn't say keep it open. He didn't say scream out loud or anything like that. He said pretty much go into a room, go silent and connect with your God, and this is how you should pray, and I love that. I think it's just a continuing reminder that we don't have to show off our prayer skills or show off that I'm talking to God. Look at me, I'm being holy. This is something you do alone with your God and you connect in that way. So I say that only to say that maybe people go. This is how we should pray all the time, or how do I connect in some kind of way? This is a prayer that you say, I think, personally, when you're praying, when you're alone with God, with yourself, that you're praying this way. This is the template, this is the model of how to approach God and your prayer requests. Would you say that? I think.

Jason: 14:19

Yeah, look, I think you brought up a really interesting point too, which is the fact that a lot of this whole section of Matthew is about a heart issue, like it's about. You know, the beginning of this whole thing starts, or I think, right after this he talks about you have heard it said that you know adultery is wrong. But I say I'm saying this totally wrong. But I say that if you look at your brother's wife with unclean thoughts, you have already committed adultery. And another part, I think he says you have heard it said that murder is wrong, but I say to you that if you call your brother a fool, you have already committed murder. And so a lot of what this whole Sermon on the Mount is about it's rebuking the Pharisees for being the loudmouths who are the holy ones, because they're seen, right, they're showing themselves off to be seen and they're not doing anything intimate. It's very explicit, it's very outgoing, but their hearts aren't in it, and part of that's what this is as well. Like you said, go into your closet and pray, and pray intimately to your Father and first thank Him for who he is. And when it says your kingdom come, your will be done, it's an acknowledgement or an understanding that you, god, are the most high and I want your will to be done here on earth, because here on earth it's not perfect. So I'm acknowledging that your realm is perfect, mine is not. And then it goes on. You know, give us this day our daily bread. I trust you to feed me, I trust you to be my provider. And then, and forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. Which I find to be a really interesting note, because now you have to ask your own heart have I forgiven my debtors? Have I forgiven them? And if I have forgiven them, now I'm in the right place with God? But I'm coming to talk to Him. If I've been outside saying, yeah, I forgave all those guys, and then turning around and you know, talking, smack about behind their backs, I'm not, I haven't really forgiven them and this prayer probably isn't for me. You know, again, it's a reminder Is my heart in the right place for this prayer?

Jason: 16:28

When I say and forgive us our debts as we have forgiven, note that he doesn't say help me, forgive my debtors. He doesn't say that. He says you will forgive me in the same way I forgive them, which is a conditional statement. That is a very conditional statement If I forgive them, then you will forgive me. And I'll even go beyond that and say say, if you skip all the way past the Lord's Prayer. It says for if you do not forgive others, their trespasses your heavenly father. Or sorry, for if you forgive your others or your trespasses, your heavenly father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others, he will not forgive you. So it's this, like it's this again. Every line is just so packed not only with explicit words but implicit meaning. And then a check your, a check yourself moment. Like did I mean what I just said? I just, you know we're crazy.

David: 17:18

No, it's great. Two things. One is you know, javi, when you go into the praying of the dark, um, what comes to my mind also about this, which is beautiful, is the fact that, um, this is also a prayer that can be used for people that don't know how to pray. So this is now, yeah, this is a prayer that they can use anytime. Hey, you don't know how to pray to me, I'm going to teach you how to pray, which is, I don't know. I think it's really beautiful. And then, hey, when you're ready, you take off the training wheels and now you can pray spontaneously. That's fair, because I am listen, I'm a terrible prayer. When I hear other people pray, it's amazing. When I start to pray, it just feels like it's not as strong. And the thing is, it's not about that. God loves how I pray regardless, um, but it is.

David: 18:15

Uh, I think that this prayer does help people in their prayer life. Just get used to hey, talk to me. This is how you talk to me starts off intimately and it builds and you have, I love it. Um, and then, as far as um I'm sorry, as far as what you said, jason I, I think that when you look at what god asks you to do. It's always with action. It's never just hey, pray and that's it. There's action involved, and this action is you need to forgive. You need to. You need to do something radically different. Right, like you said, he talks to the pharisees, you need to forgive. You need to do something radically different. Like you said, he talks to the Pharisees, you need to forgive for real, in your heart, not just say it, not just pretend, but you need to actually do it.

Jason: 18:59

You got to be about it. And then it also ends with and, by the way, but the forgive the people is not about your actual physical, monetary debtors, it's about people who have done you wrong. He's asking you to, you know, and another thing he's asked previously to, he's asked you to turn the other cheek when you are slapped, right. And this is, that's a form of forgiveness, right. And here's another one where he's saying forgive those who have sinned against you so that your father can forgive you too. Because how can you expect your father to forgive you if you can't even do that simple thing to others? But I kind of neglected the very last statement, which is and do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Jason: 19:39

This is just a flat-out request.

Jason: 19:41

It is a request and again, I take this back to that very first line where he says our father—sorry, right.

Jason: 19:48

To the very first line where he says our Father—sorry, right to the very first line where he says your kingdom come, your will be done, the acknowledgement that up there is great and down here is not.

Jason: 19:56

And he says down here, I know I'm a sinner, I know that I'm going to be a sinner who is in debt to you, but I'm asking you to not lead me into temptation. Help me be strong against the sin, against the temptation, so that I can be a better person in this world, so I can be a better person for you and glorify you and maybe later we'll talk about why some versions have, for yours is the kingdom and power and glory forever, but we could probably skip that for a second. But I just love the fact that it ends with this big request and if you really sit and think about it, do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. What is the most humanly universal truth about all of us is that we sin and we want to stop and we can't, and we know that we need a higher power to help us, and this is no matter what's going on in your life. This is a true statement and anybody can connect with that. Absolutely.

Javi: 20:48

One thing we know for sure that he wants us to pray, so you better get down on your knees, close the door and pray.

Jason: 20:55

Close the door.

Javi: 20:57

Here's one controversial thing. Well, I guess you could say that or not. I recently was watching like a YouTube. It was a priest and he was commenting on an evangelist a very popular evangelist right now and the evangelist said that, hey, you don't need to pray the Lord's Prayer because Jesus already died for us, our sins are already done. So this is not, he didn't say irrelevant, but you don't have to pray it Like you don't have to do it. And I don't know if he's speaking to you. Know, maybe certain people that pray all the time, maybe certain religions that that do, or certain nominations, denominations, where the priest was kind of disagreeing, obviously, and he was kind of talking about and breaking it down. So I wanted to. You guys do you think it's something? I mean, jason, you said you don't really pray this prayer. Do you guys feel like you should pray it at all? Like you said, david, you do it for holidays. Do we need to?

David: 21:47

to Need is a is a engine, because I don't know if we need to do it. Um, I'll tell you that. You know, one of the things I always talk about is who who's citing the scripture? And, uh, who in scripture is talking? And this is Jesus, and a lot of people had cited this. This isn't just. This isn't Matthew and Luke. So now you have two people, two witnesses, who are citing that. Jesus was the person saying this and instantly and I'm sure a lot of people, including the priest, is going to go listen if Jesus said to do this, I'm going to do it. Who am I going to say? You know, no, I'm not going to pray. Um, is it? This is one of those. Hey, is this symbolism or is this literal? It's the same thing. Is this something where he's telling me to say these exact words?

David: 22:36

and I think jason kind of pointed out where he says don't be repetitious unless it's from your heart. Right, you know, don't do it just because it's repetitive. So if, if it's a heart thing, if this is a prayer where you feel the most connected to God and you're praying and feeling the most connected to God, who am I to tell you that's not correct? If you say this prayer every day and you're just saying it now and you're kind of running through it and you're saying it as quickly as you can because it's what you know, then you're not really connecting with Abba Right, yeah, now you might as well say any other word.

Jason: 23:08

Then you're not really connecting with Abba. Right yeah, now you might as well say any other word. You said something that really really caught my attention a minute ago too, which is that there are days when you don't know what to pray. You sit down and you go God, I don't know. I know I need something, but I don't know what it is and I don't. Or you pray and your words feel meaningless. That happens sometimes, let's be honest, and maybe it's because it's your words and you know they're coming from you, and the best way to get out of your own words is to get into somebody else's words, and this is a great way to like step out of yourself and into the words of Jesus and say this isn't mine. I'm going to pray this thing that you've taught me how to pray, because I don't have the right words right now. So I think, like everything else, there's a time and a place for it, right?

David: 23:53

Not often do I get a gut punch. That was a gut punch in a good way because you're right Sometimes, sometimes I don't, I'm not saying.

Jason: 24:01

I'm not saying you don't know how to pray, by the way that wasn't about you, I'm just saying you brought the comment up. No, but you're 100 right there are times where I have no, but.

David: 24:13

But there are times where my prayer, um will not come out right and I'm in my own head because I don't feel worthy, and you're right. So who's better words to use than Jesus? But again, I have to focus on it and go. These are Jesus's words. I'm going to a blank right now, um, so I'm going to use these words as as a way to communicate with God in a reverent way, because my words are not hitting the mark right now and I think that it all comes down to a heart thing, and I think, man, that really is. I do believe that probably my prayer life is not where it needs to be, probably because of me, and not that I'm not doing it, not that I'm not doing it right.

Jason: 24:55

We're imperfect sinners and we end up in places where we can't get our hey, I don't want to be super redundant about this, but again, as we're talking, something else is coming to light. If you're going to say this prayer, you don't say the prayer. You think about the words that you're speaking of, the prayer. There's a difference between reciting a prayer and speaking out a pre-written statement and focusing on what the intention of each word is and what is the imagery, even internally. What's the imagery that's coming to me as I say you know, hallowed be your name? What is the image when I say your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven? You know it's. What does that mean to me? What are the feelings that arise? What are the feelings that arise? What are the visuals that arise? What am I getting out of that? What is God trying to teach me out of it?

Jason: 25:44

And I can tell you this it's not always the same for me. I can't say every time I pray it or say it that it's different, but it's not always the same. Occasionally you're reading through it and some part of it give us this day our daily bread and you go. For some reason you have this internalization that like, yeah, look at this, I'm XXX years old and I'm still here, like I have been fed my daily bread for all these years and maybe another day you go. You know, I had a great breakfast this morning and fed me my daily bread, and I didn't have to have that no-transcript to say it and pull the real meaning out of it as many times as that real meaning changes, sorry, yeah.

Javi: 26:36

I was going to say, going back to what were talking about before, about it being a motto, a template. It's a way, if you're struggling, of how to pray for others, right. Like I'm not a prayer warrior, I'm not a prayer, I don't want to, you know, I don't even know what to say to my family. I don't know what to say to somebody else, this is the template that you could use right. Start off with thanking God, right, his reverence, his glory, you know like just thanking for that. And then leading into, you know, the prayer requests right and providing, and the providing of the manna, providing of the bread right, and, just like I said, like the prayer request, the one-on-one, whatever, they're kind of coming to you for right. And then you know asking for the forgiveness and knowing that we're not worthy but Jesus made us worthy. So that's another way, like I said, I think is a great template for prayers period.

David: 27:29

One of the cool things that we see that Jesus is doing here. You know we keep talking about the purpose of the prayer and whether or not we should say the prayer exactly the way it is, but I always like historical context. I want to go back to when he is talking about not praying the way others pray um. What you see back then is, uh, repetitive and formula. So the pagans prayed and had a long list. So it was. If they're praying to zeus, it was oh, zeus, ruler of olympus, cloud gatherer, thunder thrower, mighty king, um. When you start looking at greco-roman prayers, uh, these were magic spells and they had to chant the right words in the right. Cloud gatherer, thunder thrower, mighty King, um. When you start looking at Greco Roman prayers, uh, these were magic spells and they had to chant the right words in the right order in order to gain control. Um. And you go on and on. I mean, these are.

David: 28:09

This is what even the way I was growing up. Growing up was in Orthodox Jewish, where you are davening, and davening just means to shake Um, but it is. It is, you know, chanting. It is chanting in a way to get through it very quickly, and I think Jesus is calling all that out and said, hey, stop. This isn't about a lot of words, this isn't about manipulation. This is about being sincere and a relationship, and I think when we go into that, that's where it comes down to 100%.

Jason: 28:38

There's another word you missed. There, too, it's not about being performative, right? It's about it's not about being performative, because if you're out there on the streets shaking so that everybody sees how pious you are, you know that's one thing. If you're really shaking because you really mean it, again it goes back to what we talked about earlier Like your heart has to be in the right position.

Jason: 29:05

You have to be doing it with the right intention. You have to be doing it out of love and care, not out of, you know, fire insurance. You know you have to be doing it for the right reasons and so you know. But I think that's an interesting point, that there it's again. It's repositioning prayer for the people who had prayer positioned in a certain way.

David: 29:19

Yep, and anybody in the crowd who has ever seen anybody praying would have seen praying in this way, repetitious and an order of words and all that. And he's saying stop, now again. I'm not saying that in a way where if you say this prayer every day, that's wrong. It's what's in your heart and if that's how you pray and that's how you feel connected to God, that's why he gave it to us, that's why Jesus gave it to us. He didn't give it to us because it's wrong. He goes hey, it's a simple call, it's just father, dad, and then a simple action of of you know Thanksgiving, and asking for forgiveness and then asking what you need. That's it. So I think it's a great prayer. It's not something that I think is repetitious if you do it and it's in your heart. But for me, I just enjoy spontaneous prayer a little bit better and it's just what I go to as my daily prayer life.

Jason: 30:12

Yeah, Interesting. Look. I think this is so interesting because I don't know if I've ever heard anybody really talk about it. So I like listening to your different points of view. I love finding out that you do it every day, Javi. I'm curious. I kind of want to like test myself and see what happens if I do it every day. But as always, guys, we are curious to see.

David: 30:31

First thing in the morning.

Jason: 30:32

All right, there you go, I got my.

David: 30:35

Your beard grows longer if you do it every day, is that how it works?

Jason: 30:38

Yeah, clearly, you win, clearly, yeah. But look, guys, we are also curious to find out what you guys think about the Lord's Prayer. How do you guys take it in, how do you worship with it, how do you use it in your daily life, or do you at all? You know, let us know on the socials. We love likes, comments, shares on the social. We also love reviews on any of the podcast listening platforms that you listen on. So any of those are great for us. We appreciate that and, as always, we appreciate you listening and we'll be back with another interesting conversation next week. Thanks a lot.

Javi: 31:16

Yes, sir.