David: 0:00

Welcome to the Boundless Bible. My name is David Shapiro, hey, I'm Javi Marquez and I'm Jason Holloway. Welcome back to the Boundless Bible guys. How's it going?

Jason: 0:13

Doing well.

David: 0:14

Doing well. What's going on? Nothing. I'm excited Javi's got that actor smile. I am excited about kind of getting into today.

David: 0:21

This is something, I think, that hits home for everybody. I know it hits home for me and I'm going to kind of set up a story by saying you know, the other day I was helping somebody and you know they were anything I did for them. They were just kind of complaining and they complained when they first saw me and I started to help them. They complained afterwards and then they kept going and later on they kept texting and you know they would just be really negative and kind of grumbling throughout the day and really it wasn't anything too serious. It was something that to me is not worth the grumbling. But it made me kind of think of what happened when we look at the Israelites, when they were in the Exodus, when God released them from bondage, and the first thing they did was grumble. That they did. So you guys I mean I'm sure you know what I'm talking about I'm sure you have somebody who has grumbled quite a bit and you're looking and going what are you?

Jason: 1:18

grumbling, for, as you were saying that, I was actually thinking that you might have been talking about me. I might have been that person who was grumbling the whole time. You know, you guys know, I just got through this surgery that I had to go through, and I feel like I've spent the last two weeks grumbling, you know. So we'll talk about that, but I know what it feels like to have a blessing bestowed upon you and to still be frustrated by it, because not everything that comes with it is golden, you know. So what about you, javi?

Javi: 1:50

No, I can relate to that. I think what was it about? Like two weeks ago I actually shared that in my men's group about, like man, I've been complaining a lot I don't know what it is, and I was just checking myself I realized that a lot I don't know what it is and I was just checking myself I realized that I'm really just agitated with a lot of things that didn't fine. It might be a bother, but it was no point for me to really dwell on, no point for me to continue to just kind of let it sour my day, kind of thing, if I can say that in those kind of words. But you know, yeah, I do complain, I do catch myself really grumbling at times and I hate it. But one thing I've noticed for myself is I'm able to catch it early on, I think. At least my wife tells me. So I'm able to catch it early on.

Jason: 2:39

Oh boy that's it, so let's start the story. So we're talking you're mostly talking about Exodus here, right?

David: 2:44

So this is in Exodus. This is when God has already come with the plagues, and the last plague happens, the Passover. And now the Israelites are released from Egypt and they go and they now cross the Red Sea. God splits the Red Sea and literally three days after all of these miracles, the Israelites start to grumble. And this is in Exodus 15, 24. So the people grumbled against Moses, saying what are we to drink? So three days later, they're thirsty and instead of realizing that God will provide for them, they start to grumble, and they're grumbling towards Moses, and it's not even toward, they're grumbling against Moses. So they're, they're upset that they were brought out into the wilderness and they start to complain. That's the first time, only three days after seeing all the miracles. And it's funny because I think about it all the time I go man, I wouldn't have grumbled like that, like you're. You're with God right now. Right, and the truth is, yes, I would have. I definitely would have grumbled as well. Yeah.

Javi: 3:49

I think we all catch ourselves at those moments. Which makes me think when they say grumbling is it, is it our modern day? Grumbling Was it? Was it something further than that? Were they, were they losing faith in those grumbling? Were they complaining about something further than just going oh my God, it's hot out here. Why would you take us away from Egypt? It's just so hot out here type of thing. You know what I'm saying?

David: 4:11

It's interesting you asked that because I was going to get to this later, but the Hebrew word that's used right now for grumbling is loon, and it does mean to complain. There is a translation that does say complain, but it also means stuck in a stubborn mindset, or lodging and remaining somewhere. So they are lodging in this stubborn mindset that they have, and that's the other definition of the word, which brings a lot of meaning. Now.

Jason: 4:39

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think it's interesting too that they didn't just grumble and complain. And you know, and shortly after they're going to start, you know, we're talking about people who are going to start building an idol after 40 days of Moses being on a mountain. So it might have started as grumblings, but grumblings always turn into, you know, turning around the other way and and walking away from things too. Right, like that's just the beginning of it. Right, like that's just the beginning of it, but it's, it's interesting because you know we say I wouldn't grumble either, but especially because, look, those guys saw a cloud of fire that that you know came after them and came with them. Like they literally were led out of Egypt by a what a tower of fire or something like that.

Jason: 5:20

I mean it's like this the tornado of fire. Like you see, the tornado of fire that's literally leading you. And a couple of days later you're like that guy, that God, like what's wrong with those people? And you know, the first time you read it, you're we don't all. We, very quickly in this conversation, put ourselves in their position and saw it very empathetically, like, yeah, we know that we grumble, but a lot of times you read the Bible and they're separate from us. It's another story. You're reading about somebody else and you're just going look at all these grumblers, look at all these people who are complaining how can they do that? God led them out. That's so absurd. And then you look around and you go how did they put the wrong milk in my latte? And you're like wait, a second, hold on, hold on no-transcript that just show all these different.

Javi: 6:37

Was it plagues, right? And then he got me out here and he's not leading me forward. Or I'm hungry or it's hot, right, he could help me out through these things and he's that's fair too so maybe that's where, maybe that that's a complaint, maybe they're going.

Javi: 6:52

Wait, you're the old god of this. You can't just, I don't know, transport me to where you need me to go. Why can't you just, right, you know, give me a, a nice little ride and ride off, rather than, like you know, I gotta walk there kind walk there kind of thing, you know.

Jason: 7:03

Yeah, I've got who has?

Javi: 7:05

perspective.

Jason: 7:06

Right, right. I thought you were the God who did all these crazy things, and look what you did to get me out of here. And now you're putting it on me Now. Now I'm the one who has to go, you know, through all this suffering and this hardship to figure out where I'm going. And yeah, I never thought of that. I never thought of that.

Javi: 7:21

Think about that modern day right, when you are complaining or stuff like that. I think for me, when I think about when I'm complaining, it's because I know what it maybe could be or how it was, and being that is not that way is uncomfortable. Or it's like wait a minute, this is supposed to go out the way I thought it was going to go, so it's not. So I'm complaining now that it should have went the way it went. Does that make sense?

Javi: 7:44

so, like right, I'm making a right or something like that, like wait, I had the right away. Why are you cutting me off, like, and I'm complaining about this and to me it should have been the way it should have been, and I'm thinking for them? They're thinking like well, you're the god of that, took me out of there, out of egypt, out of slavery for 400 years. You, part of the I don't know, provide some food for us.

David: 8:06

Well, he did that, and the fact that he did eventually yeah, Well, you have to remember that even when God came to Moses and told Moses to go to the people and tell them that God is going to release them, he said go to the elders. You have to remember these are people that did not know God. They spent 400 years in captivity with the Egyptians. So they're looking at multiple gods. They don't really know this God, and so this God is leading in the map and they're looking at, going okay, well, this God maybe did whatever he could. We're out, and now what? You left us here to die. What was the purpose of that? Because they're still getting to know him and it's not a reason, it's not a way to allow somebody to grumble, but I do feel like I'm going to give them a little bit of leeway and go hey, yeah, this guy just performed a lot of miracles for you, but you've seen that for 400 years, magicians and workers of magic and the Egyptians thanking the gods for all of that. So they're just starting to get to know this God and I think he allows it, which is why, yes, they grumble about water. God gives them water. He gives them water. And they start to grumble about food and God gives them manna.

David: 9:15

But what's interesting is, if you start to look at, you know the grumblings Exodus 17, 3, but my people were thirsty and they grumbled against Moses. And then you have in Numbers 11, 1, they tell about the story again. They showed now the people complained about their hardships in their hearing of the Lord and it was when to them they were angered and they were aroused. So these people were complaining about the hardships. But when you look at Exodus 16, 2 through 3, in the desert the whole community grumbled. If only we had died by the Lord's hand in Egypt where we sat around pots of meat. They're complaining about Moses the whole time and then all of a sudden they flip it to God and they go. No, we're complaining to you. It would have been better if you just left us to die in Egypt as slaves, cause at least we had food there, at least we had food.

Jason: 10:03

Yeah, it's incredible because at least we had food there. At least we had food. Yeah, it's incredible. I mean, I understand that. I know what I'm like when I'm hungry too. You know there's I think we have to. That's one of those times I can actually relate. I'm like you know you're hungry, you were eating well, your life amount of it. It just tells you how much, as humans, we are willing to put up with in the name of comfort, right?

Jason: 10:24

I mean, look, they were they were yeah, that that's about as simple as it gets right. They would rather be slaves and know where they were sleeping at night and the food that they were getting, than have to go out on this journey yep, that is.

David: 10:36

Yeah, I never really thought about the comfort part of it, but yes they're. They are definitely putting comfort above all else maybe not comfort, maybe it's from familiarity familiarity, familiarity right there.

Javi: 10:48

This is something that I'm used to. You know after a while the devil.

Jason: 10:51

You know right that it's that you people stick with the devil. You know, yeah, right, you know it's like this and this is what they were doing. They were sticking, but yeah, I mean, but it's. This is what they're doing. They're sticking with the devil. They know it's familiar to them, it's comfortable to them.

Javi: 11:02

Change is not good for people, right they know what, what to expect, in a sense, right. So this is us speaking from this perspective. We weren't there, but going through that emotion and I think about myself when God pushes me to do something outside of my comfort zone, outside of things that I'm not familiar with. Just taking risks is hard, it's uncomfortable.

Jason: 11:42

It's hard. It's hard, it's you know it's uncomfortable, you know you know it's when you do it is uncomfortable, shedding of your skin. Right time and I'm just kind of recalling it now is that this is a bigger story than the soon to be Israel. You know people of Israel. This is. This is a story about change in general. This is a human nature story about what it's like when we have to, when we're called to change.

Jason: 12:07

If I have an addiction to something and I need to stop that, I know I have to do it. I know it's going to be hard, I know it's going to be better for me and yet I'm probably going to suffer through the whole process. But that suffering leads me to my promised land. You know there's the long, the long version of it. Right, if I'm, if I'm addicted and I'm not saying, you know I'm not saying anything If I'm addicted to certain food, or if I'm addicted to my social media or any of those things, I know that I have to separate from the thing that is in my past the things that are comfortable to me, the things that I know the comforts and the familiarities of which I have to be able to go through some wilderness for some time and I have to be able to be uncomfortable and I have to feel that need of I'm thirsty and I have to feel that need of I'm starving.

Jason: 12:56

And why aren't you doing this for me, why aren't you fixing this problem for me? And that's just not the way it works. You know, god's not the magic maker who just one day just takes all your problems away. He gives you the path to taking your problems away, and that's what I love about the story. Now is, when I look at the story, I see it much more like this, like neural progression, or this like conscious progression from one part of your life which is not good to a part of your life which will be better if you follow God.

Javi: 13:26

Sorry, that was long. It's not only that, but it's like what we see here. It's again another story saying you, going through this, you're going to persevere, you're going to become different, you're going to become a nation. Not only that, you're going to do it and I'm going to get the glory, not you. So I think, as we see, that when we do through our life and God pushes us, it's not only for good, it's always for good, but it's also for him to get the glory. It's not through our strength, it's through his strength.

David: 14:04

And we see that you're going through the desert. For them to make it out anywhere is through God's provision and protection. I also think it's a bit of a wake-up call for us readers, and the reason being is and this is a speculation, but these Israelites, they don't know this God, like I said, and they've seen him do what Really harsh things to the Egyptians and it wasn't to them, but they saw it and now they're following this God who has done nothing but really hard things to watch 're in the desert, alone, in the quiet. They're hungry, they're thirsty, and what we're doing is the readers is going. How dare you grumble at god? And I'm going. This story is also for us, the reader, to go. You have no idea what somebody has gone through and we're so quick to judge people and go. How are you acting this way? Meanwhile, like you, there are people who don't get the right milk in their latte and they're throwing a fit because this is for us, the reader.

Javi: 14:57

But not only that. They're following a God they don't know, but they're also following a leader that is not really that great. I mean, he really wasn't. I mean he terrible it's you know he wasn't.

Jason: 15:06

He wasn't known to be great. Yeah, he really wasn't. I mean he terrible at. You know he wasn't. He wasn't known to be great.

Javi: 15:10

Yeah, he wasn't known to be great. Yes, not yet. Yeah, yeah, but at the time when this is happening, he was still struggling. You know he needed aaron to do a lot of his speaking and and you know help, which is good, it's fine. But at the moment you're looking at moses going. Where are we going? Next? Smart guy? Look at us now we're in the desert. You know type of thing. You know I'm I make fun of it only because it's, it's so, it's, that's exactly what they did so I'm thinking, I'm thinking myself in that well, that's what it is.

David: 15:35

It's humanizing that shoe. Yeah, these are humans who are having human emotions and us, as humans, are looking back at them, having human emotions going. How dare you? God is with you. I wish you know what I would do it. You know how many times I heard people say you know what I would do if I was there and God was there, and the amount of faith I would have to watch that and I'm going no, you wouldn't, because you're a human and this story is about humans.

Javi: 15:59

David, I was going to ask you so, even before they left on the Exodus, they needed to rile them up, put them together and go. Hey, we're gonna do this, we're gonna leave together. Right, and they were still like reluctant, right. A lot of them maybe went back right. They were like they didn't just jump to the opportunity to go. Let's go, moses, um, right, no, they, I mean you have to remember that.

David: 16:20

You know they felt as though god was was on their side. He said, on your way out, you're gonna go and ask for money and gold and all that from the egyptians, and they gave it to them. So I think the the leaving part felt great. It's hey, we are, and that also is that human nature.

Jason: 16:37

You have that moment of excitement, of like I'm finally getting what I want setting off for your new adventure. That's it it's.

David: 16:43

I wished for this and I prayed for this and I got it. And then you go be where where we wish for it, because it's it's always going to come with a hardship, and I think with them they are, I'm getting released and I'm getting all this money and this is going to be fantastic. And then it's whoa, there's a big river in the way and then it gets parted and you cross it, you go okay, now there's a big desert and there's no water and there's no food and there's no shelter.

David: 17:04

And it's just thing after thing after thing, Ongoing Exactly, and that lesson, to this day, we still have not learned well, man, that's so.

Jason: 17:15

Look, you were talking about that and I'm sitting here thinking like I used addiction as the example because you know it's just one of the common ones. But think about it If you decide to play a sport, right, and you think like, oh, I'm going to do this, like I'm going to get really good at it, and then like in six months, I'm never going to practice again, no, you're going to practice for the rest of your life and you're going to have hard practices and hard days and hard losses, and like you don't just wake up one day and everything gets easier. You know, if you're, if you're studying something, you just don't constant up and back, and up and back. And we are so quick to want to believe that this is the moment where it never goes back. This is the moment where I'm at the high and I'm never going down and I'm never.

Jason: 17:58

You know, and it's it's, it's so indicative of so much that we do, because it's exactly what we do. I mean, how many days do you have a you know, a great week and then you're surprised that your next week isn't great? Why would we be surprised by that? We should expect that. That's literally the most natural thing to happen next is we have a couple of great weeks, we're going to have a couple of bad weeks, going to have a couple of great weeks, going to have a couple of bad weeks, and like it's just part of the process, and yet we don't we don.

David: 18:21

They are grumbling, they feel like this is the worst. I'm thirsty, I'm hungry, so I'd rather have died in Egypt. And so this is that point, where they're going. I don't like this at all. I would have rather gone there. And then what happens is, you know, god sends snakes that start biting them and poisoning them, and they go oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, never mind. And then God says okay, put this symbol of a snake in the air, let them look at it, and they're like okay, I'll look, I'm with you again, god, and it's really quick for you to go back and forth, to go. Whoa, I thought this was bad, but, man, this can get really bad. It could be worse.

Jason: 19:01

And then right afterwards you start to gr all over again all over again and they just keep doing the same thing and it's like you're you're reading the story from an outsider. Again I'm going to repeat myself because I think it's so important from an outsider, you read this and you look at those people and you can't understand why they're doing it. It's like you guys are going to the promised land, you guys have been, you know, taken out of slavery. You guys are following you know who's. Obviously they didn't know it, but that's kind of my point is like we know the reader knows the future, so it's hard to see where they were in that moment.

Jason: 19:34

And if we could only read our own stories, we would trust them more. And what we have to do, since we can't read our own stories, is trust that God has already read our story and know that God has already told us that the story is going to be good. So we need to read our own lives, the way that we read those people's lives. We should be looking at ourselves right now going why am I doing this? Why am I not just going home and hanging out with my family and enjoying myself? Why am I so bent out of shape over this thing going on? Because God's already got it.

David: 20:01

I love that.

Javi: 20:02

Yeah, when you grumble and when you complain, it's the lack of trust, like you're saying, jason, and it is you know. Yeah, your lack of trust, but also you're, you're the. You're also saying to god that I don't know, you'll be able to provide, you'll be able to like get me out of here. You know what I, what I was trying to figure out was trust. It was like trust and the lack of being grateful for the things that he blessed you with yeah you know, which is usually the, I feel.

Javi: 20:27

for me it's that like the first world problems, kind of thing. Right, it's the, it's the whole really here, look back, and that's how I get out of it. You know, for me it's like wait a minute, god you, you blessed me so much, you have shown me my life so many times. Why am I grumbling? Why am I complaining? You have your, I'm going to give it up to you. I'm just going to give it up to you. I need to let it go. And then, minutes later, I grumble again.

David: 20:50

What's really cool is, jason. What you said is something that I've constantly said, which is the Bible. You know how it ends. You know how the story ends. It's exactly what you said. So we can look at it and go how come you're acting this way? Because we know they're going to be fine. Meanwhile, in our own lives, we don't know the ending, so we, along the way, we grumble. What's really really cool about God is you can complain to God, you can yell at God, you can get angry at God, and he was still providing while they're grumbling. He wasn't saying well, you're thirsty, I'm not giving you anything. Now you're complaining, no-transcript.

Javi: 22:01

Right, you know what? Yeah, go ahead, tommy food. But you know they still complain. God gives them. You know they ask for food. God gives them food. He complains, you know, and after 40 years of complaining, even god had enough. And because, as a truth, that's what happened, right, like after a while, I think some of them, a lot of them, didn't make it to the promised land. They were, yeah, a lot of them, like the, the, the, the earth, kind of ate them, right a hole or open up a hole the punishment.

David: 22:26

The punishment, yeah, the punishment from making the idol was that none of that generation would make it into the promised land, right, um, including including moses, who, who ended up? He didn't right, not from the idol, but from striking the rock versus speaking to it when he disobeyed god. But it, you know, god, yes, he was putting himself in god's position.

Jason: 22:45

Right, that's what he was doing. I mean, he that moment. I actually just talked to my wife about that the other day. The reason was because he put himself in the position of God. It wasn't that he did something wrong, it's that he particularly went and did what God said I can do for you. He said I'm going to do it instead, and so putting himself forward made him as if he was trying to put his own divinity or deitiness into it. So yeah, that was that's an important note. He didn't just say you did a bad thing, moses, you don't get the promised land.

David: 23:13

But even that, god still provided, he still had the water come out. It's incredible even at that very moment. So I just love what you said, jason. It's just one of those things where, yes, we don't know the ending of our story and it is sometimes hard to trust God. We grumble through it. God is okay with the grumbling, but he wasn't okay when the grumbling turned to idol worship. And well, now you can't. You can't handle this. That's when it went too far.

Jason: 23:38

Uh but I and he wasn't okay when Moses decided to take it into his own hands and not use. And you try to take it under his own strength and not under God's strength. And those are important notes because for us, you know it's not about gratitude practices. You know that's not what this is about. This is about understanding that that gratitude is towards God. This is not about, you know, being happy that the universe is providing. It's understanding that God provided. It's not being happy that you made a paycheck this week which got it going. It's that God provided the job to give you the paycheck to do these things. And when you keep your eyes centered on God first, that's where you're glorifying God and that's where you're living correctly. I mean, you're putting the onus of power and blessing and goodness on the one it really comes from.

David: 24:23

And what I love is that God wants to work with us. So he's not saying I will, you know, make you transform from here to the promised land. No, you're going to still walk through it. You're going to still go through some things. We're working together, and I actually think that's the most beautiful part of God is you don't have somebody doing it for you. You're working together with God, which is just an amazing thought on its own.

Jason: 24:47

God, which is just an amazing thought on its own. Yeah, javi, I loved you said. You know they asked for water, they got it. They asked for food and they got it. They should have asked for an Uber. They could have just got right in. I mean, if they're getting everything anyway, you got to know how to see. This is about specific prayers, right? Know what you're praying for, that way you can get what you're asking for Specific prayers, right.

Jason: 25:08

The other thing I think is interesting, guys, is that you mentioned earlier that they were in the desert for 40 years, right, and that generation didn't make it, that generation didn't make it. So sometimes we're going through the suffering, but we're going to. I think most parents know this feeling that sometimes you have to suffer and it may not be for your best interest, it may be for the best interest of who's coming next. And you know what.

Jason: 25:31

Let's not even use parents, let's use spiritual parents. Sometimes you know you might be discipling somebody or walking through somebody to their faith and it's not you that's going to benefit. In fact it might, even you might suffer a little bit for their benefit. I know, david, you, you particularly suffer a lot for people because you, if somebody calls you, answer any time of day or night and you know that kind of, that kind of sacrifice. You know it may not be you who who wins, but you're doing it in God's name and the people next of kin or the next of you know the next in in spiritual line are going to benefit, and I think that's really beautiful as well.

David: 26:06

Yeah, I think if you just put things in perspective all the time and remember that you know whose we are and what purpose we have in this world, I think that you know the grumbling will never stop. I'm an admitted grumbler. I grumble constantly about different things and sometimes it might not be as as it might not be the wrong milk, because I take black coffee, but it could be. It could be things that somebody from the outside will look in and go. That is so small. Why are you grumbling at that? And I look at other people the same way, and the truth of the matter is that the grumbling has nothing to do with the item.

David: 26:47

It's a heart issue. At that moment it is. My heart is not in the right place. Whether it's not on God, it's not on the person behind the counter. Listen, the person who made my coffee could have been having a really horrible day. I don't know anything about what they're going through. Something's on their mind. They put the wrong milk in. I'm getting mad at them Meanwhile. It really is a heart issue. Is the wrong milk gonna kill me, unless I'm allergic? No, but I. I think when you start looking at at these stories, it really, like I said it's, it's, it's for the reader to look in and go is this me? Is even a little bit of this me? And how do I change that?

Jason: 27:24

yeah, or how do I see the bigger picture? Also right, like if you, if you're not able to change it, which hopefully you can hopefully you can see it in bigger picture and say this is a small part of a much bigger scheme and it's also natural, it's just natural to suffer a bit Like it's not every day is a vacation day, not every day is Christmas day. You know, it's like I don't know. That's what I'm taking away from this conversation, like I'm. It's like every time I get to this grumbly place, I'm like surprised, like why Everything was going so well, why now? And instead of saying why now? Just to go, because that's how it works, that's where the growth happens, no-transcript. And ended up in the promised land. By the way, they got to win battles because of him as well. You know, they had to fight at Jericho, was it Jericho? They had to fight at jericho, was it jericho? They had to fight at the canaanites where the walls?

Jason: 28:49

came down yeah, the canaanites I mean. So over those 40 years they learned who this god is, that he's strong, that he's powerful, that he wants you know all this stuff and so I don't know. I is where we learn and this story is this is tough when you're going through it.

Javi: 29:03

But totally, yeah, perspective, I like that. You guys said the perspective I think it was you, jason saying the perspective of having that God will provide. God is with you, you know, or God gave you this right, everything you have already. So when you're leading from that angle, you're leading towards the world with that angle, that perspective of God giving me this. So whenever you lose it, whenever it's not going your way, you cannot go. Well, this is mine, this is you know. No, no, god gave it to me. He can take it away. And when you have that attitude, you could overcome obstacles. You know, and I think that's a good perspective to have.

Jason: 29:41

Yeah, I agree. I agree, Something we all have to work on, I think yeah.

David: 29:53

I agree, something we all have to work on. I think, yeah, I think, for me, my grumbling needs to turn more into prayer. When I am looking for something and I feel ungrateful, I need to pray, pray for my heart and also pray for what I want, versus just grumbling for it. It kind of reminds me a little bit of, you know, a kid having a temper tantrum, like not just saying, hey, listen, I'd really like this toy, but starting to whine and fall down and, you know, throw his fist in the air.

David: 30:09

Meanwhile, you know God, the father's looking, going, really, that's, you're not getting it that way, that's not how it's going to work. But when you humbly, you know, kneel before the Lord and just ask, and you know he will provide. And it might not be in the time that we want it, it might not be in the nature that we want it, but he's there and he knows what we need and he will provide. And I'm just like I said, I'm really blessed by this story. I know that it is very confusing to see why anybody would grumble while God is doing these amazing miracles, but the more I look at it, the more I go. Man, they have me written all over them, and I do this all the time, totally.

Jason: 30:49

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